Women in Law

 Justice belongs to the people. We should open up the justice system, demystify it without undermining the importance of the court. It is there to serve society and to serve you.”

Reminding us what justice is all about, four inspirational superstars of the world justice scene shared how they got to the top of their profession in the first place, what obstacles they overcame and who inspired them along the way. On 5 July 2018, Obelisk Support co-sponsored the first-ever event bringing together female Supreme Court judges from four different continents at Grays Inn in London. The judges were Baroness Hale President of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom, Susan Kiefel Chief Justice of Australia, Georgina Wood former Chief Justice of Ghana, and Beverley McLachlin former Chief Justice of Canada. They were joined on stage before and after the discussion by Dame Linda Dobbs former high court judge, Professor Penny Andrews Dean of Law at the University of Cape Town, Genevieve Muinzer founder of Ad Astra Communications and Vice-Chair of the Foundation for International Law, and Dana Denis-Smith founder of The First 100 Years Project and CEO of Obelisk Support.

What prompted you to enter the professions?

Georgina Wood said that if she had been asked at age 12 what profession she would like to enter, she would have said medical doctor. At home, she never had my parents say that it’s only women who can do such or such professions. Her father and brother helped her to find a way around in her career and she has now been a magistrate of judiciary in Ghana for 42 years, crediting this to the fact that she just happened to be at the right place at the right time.

For Susan Kiefel growing up in Australia, the situation was quite different. Young girls doing higher education had two options: teaching and nursing. Neither interested her and as she started her professional career as a PA, she worked for a group of barristers and watched their work closely. She was quite attracted to the camaraderie and decided that she would be one of them. Studying law at night, she went to the bar, inspired by true trailblazers in Australia such as Roma Mitchell and Joan Rosenove in the 1950s. In Queensland, there had only been one woman who followed in their footsteps and now, women represent 25% of the bar in Australia. She suspected being a judge was more intellectually rewarding than being a barrister or QC.

Beverley McLachlin grew up wanting to be independent and to do something different. In high school in grade 7, she was told she had a very high reading retention score but that she couldn’t do anything with that. After reading Simone de Beauvoir’s The Second Sex, she was told “it’s a man’s world and you can’t make it.” However, a good friend said, ‘I think you would be really good at law’. So she wrote to the dean to ask for info and he wrote back, and admitted her to law school.

Baroness Hale’s headmistress told her that she wasn’t clever enough to study history and suggested economics instead. Though Baroness Hale wasn’t too keen on the idea, she was fascinated by constitutional history. Later, she was the first girl from a small Yorkshire school to go to Cambridge to read law. She met all these men who had great ambitions and thought she would as well. She did self-tuition correspondence course to become a barrister, studied two months and came top of the list. At that point, she had to choose between university and bar and chose the former. After a series of public appointments, she got a phone call saying ‘we’re thinking of diversifying the judiciary.’ By that, they didn’t mean women or minorities. They meant academics. Like baby judges. Was this something she would like to do? Of course it was. It was a full time judicial post and looking back, it never occurred to her that she would be any sort of judge.

Tell us about the most challenging time of your careers?

When Susan Kiefel started at the bar there was a custom of barristers paying visits to judges. There was only one that almost stopped her but she went anyway. In the 1980s, people smoked then and she was judge of a tense case with livestock auctioneers in their ranching garb. She asked if anyone smoked and if nobody minded. She then took a pack of loose leaf tobacco from her drawer and proceeded to roll her cigarette. There was a sigh of relief in the room.

Baroness Hale will never forget the terror of a bail abdication case when she was a barrister. The judge behaved disgracefully and tore petitions to shreds. She really felt sorry for the clients. The same judge offered her a cup of tea later and didn’t apologise. Judges behaving badly doesn’t go on nowadays like it did back then. It was challenging going to the law commission. Every bit of judging is difficult when you do it. 

After having graduated from law school, Beverley McLachlin went for interview for articles. She had a lovely interview with a gentleman she greatly admired. He said, ‘why do you want to practice law?’ Why was he asking me this? she thought; she had been studying for 7 years. The expectation was that if you were married, you could not practice law. You devoted your life to your husband and your family. She went anyway and got the job but almost thought she couldn’t. When you think you can’t get through, think again. You may be underestimating yourself. You just plough on. When she had a child, it was extremely stressful. Not because she thought she couldn’t do her job, but because she thought she was the worst parent in the world. Her son later said, ‘get over it Mom, you were great’. To be a good mother, you have to be a strong person and show unconditional love. Her advice to younger women is keep your head up.

Georgina Wood started by reminding the audience that Ghana had had a tortuous past and 25 years ago, and has since voted constitutional democracy and enjoyed a period of peace. It’s rewarding to know that the judiciary has contributed to that peace. Although she supports women’s rights, she judges according to the law and the facts. When men come to her, they know they will get justice without gender bias. In one case, a woman died and her family rushed to the court thinking they would not get justice. As Court Justice in a developing country, when you make up your mind that you are going to protect the independence of the judiciary it is very rewarding. Unfortunately, there was some corruption but her judicial council was very independent and the other judges were removed. Having to deal with lack of resources can be challenging but if you do the best that you can given the circumstances, your work and your integrity will always work for you.

How have experiences in life influenced your judgment?

Beverley McLachlin grew up in a very diverse community with indigenous people, people of different European backgrounds, and they gave her an appreciation for the place of everybody in the world. Her parents believed that everybody should be treated equally and it has infused into her whole thinking.

To Baroness Hale, women do lead different lives from men. Women don’t do it by choice. People react differently to them. Women are often regarded as other. One does grow up with an appreciation that you are on your own. Women should not try to conform to male models to succeed in the law. She was the only one in her court who had spent all her professional life as employed — as opposed to self-employed. Most professional women have experienced humiliation, such as being turned down for a job when they’re the best qualified person for the job. All these experiences feed into how you judge and it is as it should be. Judges shouldn’t be only successful.

As a judge, Georgina Wood tried to add human experiences into her cases. There are some values that you learn early in life in school that shape one’s mind around what is right and what is wrong. One of them is equality and the law.

Susan Kiefer was brought up with Christian values. She has been working since she was 15. People and events shape her way of thinking. As a barrister, she was very interested in how different judges write and admired simplicity and conciseness.

What would you like your legacy to the law to be?

Susan Kiefer would like to be remembered for someone who promoted a style of judgement that made it easier for people to understand judgments and for judges to apply the law. That means, hopefully, fewer judgments. Putting vanity aside, she recommends an institutional approach rather than an individual approach.

Though legacies don’t last very long, Baroness Hale would like to be remembered as a judge in front of whom it is pleasant to appear, a judge with a lightness of touch. She would also like to be remembered for a handful of judgments that have made people think differently about the law.

Berveley McLachlin has been privileged to sit in a number of cases that have made people’s lives better in Canada. She is proud of those judgments, protecting human rights such as LGBT rights. She has tried to advocate that justice belongs to the people and would like to open up the justice system, demystify it without undermining the importance of the court. It is there to serve society and to serve you. She’d like to be remembered for better access to justice.

The people of Ghana would be the best judges of Georgina Wood’s legacy. She is a judge of integrity, some of her cases have impacted students. She wants to be remembered as someone who put integrity, hard work and merit above who you knew or the old boys’ circles. She wants to be remembered as someone who championed young women and children. We are not in competition with the men. We encourage girl porters to aspire to better lives.

Who inspired you?

When Beverley McLachlin was little, there were few women who became lawyers and did something of their career. There were very few role models. Women were not considered persons. In 1929, the Persons’ Case was issued by the judicial committee. Times are changing. The law had to change with society. My role model was these women who fought so long so hard to reach the Persons’ Case.

Baroness Hale was inspired by her own mother. She didn’t think so at the time. When she was 13, her father died. There was a marriage bar for teaching in the 1930s. Her mother dusted off her teaching credentials and became headmistress in their village school. She always wonders: ‘what would mother have said?’

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On 7 October 2017, Obelisk Support CEO Dana Denis-Smith joined radio presenter Elliot Moss on Jazz FM for the Jazz Shapers programme. They talked about creating Obelisk Support, believing in a better world, recording the history of women in law with The First 100 Years and, of course, they talked about jazz. This is a summary of the programme, that will be shortly available to listen on iTunes and on the in-flight radio of British Airways.

About Obelisk Support

Q: Is it just common sense when you’re mapping out how someone wants to receive a service, or is there something intrinsic to being a lawyer delivering a service to a client?

A: Talking about the client journey, I [positioned] myself as a consumer and tried to understand how I behave and what I expect from a service provider. It has to be easy, very much like a John Lewis “you know what you get, it doesn’t unravel in the wash”, and this is what our business is aiming to do. We want our clients to experience that it’s simple and easy to work with us.

We have about 1,100 registered lawyers, which is symptomatic of the fact that the legal profession has an over-supply of lawyers. The question is, can we get good lawyers to work with? Because we only do business law. To guarantee the quality of our lawyers, my team makes sure that they have a minimum of 2 years experience in a top law firm or a very large multinational, as this is our client base. We have other objective recruiting requirements to which we add a culture fit element. It’s a mixed process that can take up to two weeks to complete. About 40% of people make it through.

Q: When did it pop for the business?

A: In March 2012, we had 120 lawyers and I realised that we needed a larger scale. We got to 500 lawyers during the year, then 800, now 1,100 and we get new suppliers all the time.

About The First Hundred Years

Q: What was the purpose of the project you created in 2014?

A: The purpose of The First Hundred Years was to chart the journey of women in law. I had no idea of when women came into the profession [women were first admitted to the bar in the UK in 1919] and yet, all the time I was seeing stories on how women were not advancing or that there were not enough women in leadership positions. In order to understand the present and in order to help shape the future, the project was created.

Q: What are you celebrating at the end of October?

A: The [Women in Law Award Ceremony] is part of the search for the next generation of women lawyers. Rather than deciding who we think is inspirational, we decided to create awards so people could nominate people who inspire them and it’s open to anybody of any age, as long as they’ve worked 10 years in the legal profession. It opens up a new range of names for the project, beyond the pioneers, to know who will be the women of the future.

About Disruption, Change & Happiness

Q: The law is quite a conservative profession. You don’t associate the law with pioneers or breakthroughs or entrepreneurs. Have you enjoyed being a bit of a disruptor?

A: I would say I enjoy being an inventor. Disruption was part of my motivation. For me, I’m interested in change and in progress and in changing people’s lives. That’s what excites me, more than being labelled a disruptor.

Q: Why are you so interested in change and progress? Most people would carry on their daily lives.

A: My father was an inventor and I learned from him that you can tweak things and you don’t have to rip everything apart for it to work better. You can really make a difference with a few smaller changes. Change can be huge and explosive but, especially in the legal profession, it can be more gradual but with impact.

Q: What makes you the most happy?

A: I’m very happy with the team because they come to work because they believe in what we stand for. They don’t come to work because they want to earn a wage. It’s nice to see, if you like, my motivation become infectious. Now they have infected me in return, which is a really nice place to be. I’m always really happy when I see that we’ve succeeded for people who get left behind. In particular, we see elderly men being pushed out of the workplace too soon, men and women. Helping people change life directions and helping them achieve what they want makes me happy.

About Dana Denis-Smith

Q: Tell us about yourself. You grew up in rural Romania. When did you come to the UK?

A: I came over 20 years ago. I ended up going to the London School of Economics and ending up getting married and settling here, all the usual story.

Q: Do you see things differently from someone who was born and brought up here [in the UK]?

A: I do but it’s not necessarily because I was born abroad. It’s more the country and the system that are relevant, that kind of controlled economy. I can’t claim any early early entrepreneurial journey, there was no marketplace in Romania, it was communist. This idea of intervention in the market, which is a very socialist and communist way of running an economy, is a really interesting one. I realise that I apply it in the business because unless you make a match happen, you will always end up with a client wanting a full-time employee on-site in their office. The only way we can create a successful recipe for the business is because I intervene in that marketplace and I make the marriage happen between clients and lawyers.

Q: Now, do you feel very Romanian in your head, British, or is that not relevant?

A: I like to think of myself as a citizen of the world, which is maybe not a very good thing these days. If you like, I feel like a Londoner.

About Jazz

Q: Just before I let you go, what is your choice track?

A: My choice is Hugh Masekela.He’s a South African musician and the track I picked is Stimela. It’s such a universal song, really, I love it. It came out at a time when I came out of communism and I love the way he manages to mix world music with the best jazz. He’s elaborate in his style but I also like the politics of it. Politics is what motivates change. He succeeds in making a political song that remains universal to this day. The story of economic migrants is no bigger than today. It’s very personal for me too. It’s about looking for betterment.

You can listen to the interview on Jazz FM here.